The human gut microbiome—the collection of bacteria, archaea, viruses, and eukaryotic microbes that reside in our gut—has been closely linked to our immune and metabolic health, and can even impact how well we respond to certain medications.
In oncology, the efficacy of particular cancer immunotherapies is directly impacted by the presence of certain intestinal microbiota. This has led researchers to explore ways to manipulate the gut microbiome to improve outcomes in cancer therapy.
Dr. Maik Luu, assistant professor at the University Hospital Würzburg, is exploiting the byproducts of gut bacteria, also known as postbiotics, in hopes of improving chimeric antigen receptor (CAR) T-cell therapy efficacy. In this interview, Luu discusses how these postbiotics can be used to reprogram CAR T cells to promote anti-tumor function and what further research is needed to bring probiotic-boosted therapies to the clinic.
Blake Forman (BF):
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Could you explain what postbiotics are, and how they differ from probiotics?
Maik Luu, PhD (ML):
Professor for Translational Medicine
University Hospital Würzburg
Dr. Maik Luu is a tenure-track assistant professor at University Hospital Würzburg, specializing in microbiome-derived metabolites and cellular immunotherapy. He earned his PhD in T-cell immunology from Philipps-University Marburg in 2019.
Probiotics, such as the capsules you can get at pharmacies containing different lactobacilli, carry live microorganisms that provide various health benefits. These are different from prebiotics, which can be any form of food or nutrition designed to promote the growth and activity of specific beneficial gut bacteria. In the gut, prebiotics are converted by gut bacteria into metabolites. The soluble metabolites that modulate the host environment are known as postbiotics. Postbiotics can include small molecules such as short-chain fatty acids, sugars, and different signaling molecules.
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Blake pens and edits breaking news, articles and features on a broad range of scientific topics with a focus on drug discovery and biopharma. He earned an honors degree in chemistry from the University of Surrey. Blake also holds an MSc in chemistry from the University of Southampton. His research project focused on the synthesis of novel fluorescent dyes often used as chemical/bio-sensors and as photosensitizers in photodynamic therapy.
What do we currently understand about the mechanisms linking postbiotics to immune cell function, and how might this knowledge be leveraged to improve immunotherapy outcomes?
ML:
Professor for Translational Medicine
University Hospital Würzburg
Dr. Maik Luu is a tenure-track assistant professor at University Hospital Würzburg, specializing in microbiome-derived metabolites and cellular immunotherapy. He earned his PhD in T-cell immunology from Philipps-University Marburg in 2019.
We are aware that there is a link between microbiota activity, cancer immunotherapy, and clinical outcome. For example, certain gut bacteria stimulate antigen-presenting cells, helping the immune system to become more active. We also observe that certain bacteria can stimulate the secretion of more cytokines by T cells.
There are many broad phenotypic changes that we currently observe in research. However, we are still quite far away from determining concrete mechanisms. This is because most of us in the field are still working with the microbiome as a whole. What we are doing in our research is trying to break that complexity down into smaller systems that we can understand.
There are trillions of bacteria, and all of them produce metabolites, making it very difficult to determine the effect of each metabolite or bacterium. We’re taking the approach of identifying the impact of a single metabolite on a single type of cell. We know from our work that for a single substance, such as pentanoate, at least three or four mechanisms are happening simultaneously. We’re trying to dissect these mechanisms for multiple metabolites in the hope that, by compiling this knowledge, we can predict what postbiotics are most beneficial to patients receiving CAR T-cell therapy.
BF:
Senior Science Writer
Technology Networks
Blake pens and edits breaking news, articles and features on a broad range of scientific topics with a focus on drug discovery and biopharma. He earned an honors degree in chemistry from the University of Surrey. Blake also holds an MSc in chemistry from the University of Southampton. His research project focused on the synthesis of novel fluorescent dyes often used as chemical/bio-sensors and as photosensitizers in photodynamic therapy.
How did you land on pentanoate as a metabolite to focus your research on?
ML:
Professor for Translational Medicine
University Hospital Würzburg
Dr. Maik Luu is a tenure-track assistant professor at University Hospital Würzburg, specializing in microbiome-derived metabolites and cellular immunotherapy. He earned his PhD in T-cell immunology from Philipps-University Marburg in 2019.
When I was a PhD student, I was working in the field of autoimmunity and inflammation, and it was at the time when people had started looking into what metabolites are inducing or contributing to tolerogenic homeostasis in the gut. We had used pentanoate previously and found that it can inhibit inflammatory responses. From there, we decided to investigate how inflammatory T cells and anti-cancer T cells would respond when subjected to pentanoate.
The effect of pentanoate on improving the T cells' ability to defeat tumors was outstanding.
Over the last two to three years, many other groups have confirmed that pentanoate is important to immunotherapy success in patients.
BF:
Senior Science Writer
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Blake pens and edits breaking news, articles and features on a broad range of scientific topics with a focus on drug discovery and biopharma. He earned an honors degree in chemistry from the University of Surrey. Blake also holds an MSc in chemistry from the University of Southampton. His research project focused on the synthesis of novel fluorescent dyes often used as chemical/bio-sensors and as photosensitizers in photodynamic therapy.
You’ve shown that postbiotics can induce epigenetic and metabolic reprogramming during CAR T cell manufacturing. What does this process look like in practice?
ML:
Professor for Translational Medicine
University Hospital Würzburg
Dr. Maik Luu is a tenure-track assistant professor at University Hospital Würzburg, specializing in microbiome-derived metabolites and cellular immunotherapy. He earned his PhD in T-cell immunology from Philipps-University Marburg in 2019.
When discussing epigenetic metabolic reprogramming, many people assume it’s a very complex process in terms of engineering. But in the lab, it's fairly easy. We activate the T cell, place our postbiotic, for example, pentanoate, into the culture medium, and wait before introducing the other genetic modifications. So, it's fairly easy, but the biological impact of doing that is more complex. You may only be introducing that one substance, but this can impact the cell in multiple ways. For example, there's pentanoate being digested and metabolized by the cell itself, which then contributes to indirect reprogramming towards oxidative phosporylation, and mitochondrial pathways are engaged.
BF:
Senior Science Writer
Technology Networks
Blake pens and edits breaking news, articles and features on a broad range of scientific topics with a focus on drug discovery and biopharma. He earned an honors degree in chemistry from the University of Surrey. Blake also holds an MSc in chemistry from the University of Southampton. His research project focused on the synthesis of novel fluorescent dyes often used as chemical/bio-sensors and as photosensitizers in photodynamic therapy.
What are the key challenges and opportunities in translating microbiome-derived compounds into scalable, standardized therapeutics?
ML:
Professor for Translational Medicine
University Hospital Würzburg
Dr. Maik Luu is a tenure-track assistant professor at University Hospital Würzburg, specializing in microbiome-derived metabolites and cellular immunotherapy. He earned his PhD in T-cell immunology from Philipps-University Marburg in 2019.
As a basic research immunologist, my first question is always, how does something work? In cancer and treatment-focused research areas, it's more about how we can use something to benefit patients. Although this thought is correct, we can make the most optimal therapy when we understand how it works and what the mechanisms of those substances are.
In the real world, you don't have just one metabolite contributing to the overall effect of the microbiome. The most challenging aspect is identifying the metabolites that have beneficial effects and understanding the mechanisms in which they are involved. Once we've done that, I think the advantage is that these molecules are quite easy to synthesize.
Postbiotics can be easily incorporated into the culture of an engineered T cell and produced at GMP-grade level. They should also be compatible with many production protocols.
BF:
Senior Science Writer
Technology Networks
Blake pens and edits breaking news, articles and features on a broad range of scientific topics with a focus on drug discovery and biopharma. He earned an honors degree in chemistry from the University of Surrey. Blake also holds an MSc in chemistry from the University of Southampton. His research project focused on the synthesis of novel fluorescent dyes often used as chemical/bio-sensors and as photosensitizers in photodynamic therapy.
Looking ahead, how do you see postbiotics shaping the future of cellular immunotherapy and beyond?
ML:
Professor for Translational Medicine
University Hospital Würzburg
Dr. Maik Luu is a tenure-track assistant professor at University Hospital Würzburg, specializing in microbiome-derived metabolites and cellular immunotherapy. He earned his PhD in T-cell immunology from Philipps-University Marburg in 2019.
These metabolites are not only of use for anti-cancer therapies, but also for therapies in the non-malignant space, for example, in tackling autoimmune diseases. However, how those molecules react is highly context-dependent. We need more data on the context in which the metabolites work. Once we have discovered the modes by which we can safely apply these postbiotics, then we will be on track to begin looking at implementing them in clinical trials.
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